Tuesday, June 04, 2013

Pollard Charged with Conspiracy in Kidnapping

Link to Reports out of Meridian

This is very unfortunate for everyone involved, obviously.  A couple of things to remember before everyone starts trashing Devonta, 1) Just because someone is arrested and charged, does not necessarily mean they are guilty.  2) Conspiracy could be a lot of things.

Assuming the allegations that his mother kidnapped the child because of some sort of property dispute with child's parents are true, Devonta may have been placed in a very tough position.  His involvement could have been anything from providing her with a getaway car to helping her hide from police.  Even if true, and while I'm not saying its right, some of the things that could result in a conspiracy charge would be things a lot of people would likely due to try to protect their own mother in that situation.

There were rumors that he would transfer anyway, and I would speculate this makes his return to UA next season highly unlikely.  Supposedly he was looking to go closer to home.  It appears to me that he would have been well advised to get as far away from home as possible.

56 comments:

Msmilie said...

As I texted to Bobby after reading this news: "If Anthony Grant is smart, he'll cut his losses next season regardless of the outcome. Bama basketball is cursed."

I feel sorry for Devonta because it appears he was put in a very tough position due to his mother being involved. Forget basketball, this could impact his life far beyond the court. Poor judgement on his part, but who's to say none of us wouldn't do something similar if a friend or loved one was involved? I just hope his part in this was minimal and his life won't be significantly altered.

As far as the basketball team goes, aye caramba! If Pollard is indeed done, as a result of this situation or a transfer, Alabama will be down to nine scholarship players. An injury or two and things could get very bad. I wasn't expecting Pollard to be a starter next season, but I was expecting him to be a more meaningful contributor after some offseason strength and conditioning. Perhaps he's in uniform next season, but even if he is, what will his mindset be with all of this mess going on?

crimsontider said...

"Who's to say some of us would not do something similar?" Me, I would not put myself in a situation like this, ever, this is kidnapping. This is not Tony Mitchell, or Jamychal green pouting up and down the court. This is freaking kidnapping. No second chances!! Kick him off!!!

crimsontider said...

I am patiently awaiting more details, this is not over.

Msmilie said...

You self-righteous idiot! You don't know what you would do in that situation so shove your moralizing up your....well, you get the idea.

Believe it or not, one of the great things about this country is that we have a justice system in which all are innocent until proven guilty. He's been charged with a very serious crime and we will have to see what becomes of it, but don't sit there and act like you have any idea the position this kid was put in by his mother. Devonta is 18-19 years old. If I remember correctly, his father passed away. His mother appears to have done something stupid, no doubt about that, but can you honestly say that you would have sold your mother out if you had been in a similar situation. At the end of the day, Devonta may have merely made a mistake that was predicated on the relationship between he and his mother. I'm willing to wait for the story to come out before I make a judgment call on this kid. You should do the same.

crimsontider said...

I would not have at all participated in a crime this awful, and if I found out that my mother had participated in something like this, i would turn her in, or "Sell her out." Kidnapping is one of the worst things in the world, regardless of guilt or innocence, he has proven that he does not have the responsibility to handle being a scholarship player at the University of Alabama, Alabama plays national TV games, and I do not want somebody involved in kidnapping to wear the name of my university on his chest, in front of the country.

DJC said...

First of all, he's not charged with kidnapping but with conspiracy, there is a big difference. It's his mother that is charged with the kidnapping, I believe. A lot of things fall under that umbrella, he could have just provided the get away car or allowed helped her hide from the police. Logic gets skewed when its your own mother involved. My mother could murder everyone on this blog and I'm pretty sure I would still try to protect her from the authorities.

crimsontider said...

So he allowed a kidnapper, mother or not to hide from the police. Pollard is entitled to a day in court, I am not disputing that, he is not entitled to be a scholarship player for the university of Alabama.

DJC said...

I would prefer coach Grant talk to Pollard, talk to the authorities, find out exactly what specific acts led to the charge, and make a rational decision based on that rather than unilaterally give him the boot based on some vague charges as reported by a television station in Meridian, MS.

crimsontider said...

To clairfy the first sentence of my comment was based on your hypothetical.

crimsontider said...

Not sure these hold any weight, but i would like to remind you that there were rumors of Pollard's mom pulling a Cecil Newton, and shopping him to the highest bidder during his recruitment last year. This entire family seems like trouble, the program does not need or deserve this hanging over them. It's just best to distance yourself from the entire situation.

Msmilie said...

Absolutely. Find out what happened before you just kick the guy off the team. Don't potentially deprive the kid of an education and the chance to play basketball if all he did was make a bonehead mistake that he is ultimately absolved of or only faces minor punishment for.



If anyone should face criticism, it's his mother. Kidnapping someone's daughter is not the best way to resolve a dispute, and possibly involving your son in this bonehead play is even worse.

Msmilie said...

"...there were rumors of Pollard's mom pulling a Cecil Newton, and shipping him to the highest bidder..."



You got something in writing or did you just hear those voices in your head?

crimsontider said...

Just rumors, not at all saying they are true, but his family seems messed up, and apparently Devonta Pollard has not joined in to an extent. That was the main point of my comment.

crimsontider said...

Anthony Grant basically told Tony Mitchell to get lost because he was immature, and had a bad attitude. He suspended 4 players, in the middle of an NCAAT run in 2012. Say what you want about Grant's coaching abilities, and I have said plenty, but I have full confidence that he will uphold the values of the program/university, and deal with Devonta in short order.

crimsontider said...

Per Cecil Hurt, six arrested, including a women named Joyce Jernigan.
make what you will. Just passing along information.

crimsontider said...

His mom also got kicked out of one of his high school games in 2011, there all trouble.

crimsontider said...

"Talent is a gift, but character is a choice"- Anthony Grant
It would be pretty hypocritical for Grant to keep Pollard on scholarship with that quote.

crimsontider said...

Correction: kicked out of an AAU tourney.

Msmilie said...

I think you need to post 50 more comments. That's an order!

DJC said...

And more details start to come out: http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/article/20130604/NEWS/130609926/1291/sports?p=2&tc=pg


It appears that his arrest is based on the fact that his car was apparently used in the kidnapping. He gave consent to search the vehicle, and they found the cell phone and hotel receipt. It's not very difficult at all to imagine a scenario where Devonta is innocent here. First of all, if my mother asks to borrow my car, I'm probably going to let her without asking a lot of questions. I think they will have a difficult time proving Devonta knew what she was up to. She may have taken the car without even asking, who knows. It wasn't that uncommon when I was living at home for my mom to drive my car around for whatever reason.


Secondly, while nobody will ever accuse Devonta of being a rocket surgeon, I do believe he's smart enough that he would not have consented to a search if he knew there was something in the car to incriminate himself. Then again, people foolishly waive their rights everyday, so maybe I'm off base here.


Finally, SIX people have been charged in this conspiracy. I find it a little hard to believe that 1) it takes that many people to pull something like this off and 2) that six people would willingly go in and say, "yeah, Jessie Mae, you are exactly right, that's a great idea, sure, I'll help you snatch up that 5 year old so you can get that half acre back." It seems to me the police are charging anybody and everybody they can who may be remotely tied to this. There are a number of possible reasons for doing so, both political and from an information gathering standpoint, but it doesn't mean the charges will stick. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.


As for the basketball team, Pollard hasn't been working out and I don't think anybody was expecting him to actually play for us next year anyway. I wish him the best of luck, but I'm afraid he's going to need it.

crimsontider said...

So when Devonta's mom asked him for his car, you honestly believe that Devonta did not get at all curious when his mom drove to Mississippi and was gone for a few days? Devonta would not even move to Tuscaloosa or anywhere without his mom. He showed a lack of responsibility, I would be kicked out for it, you would too. Devonta does not deserve special treatment because he is an athlete.

Msmilie said...

The part from the link you posted that I find interesting is that Grant was asked about Devonta in Destin last week and confirmed he was still on the team, but was taking care of some things not related to basketball. No doubt he was referring to this situation. If Devonta was transferring, wouldn't he have sought his release by now? Seems like the door could still be open for his return at some point, provided this mess can be resolved. Probably a long shot, but you never know.

crimsontider said...

Devonta has been moved to a federal detention center.

Msmilie said...

I'll have to read the article again, but was his mother gone for a few days? My understanding was she took the child and then left her in the care of someone else (one of the other women that have been arrested).

crimsontider said...

I thought they stayed at a hotel.

Msmilie said...

They did stay at a hotel, but it was my understanding that it was only the little girl and one of the other women watching her. Geez, just thinking about this is beyond crazy. Over a land dispute?

crimsontider said...

A land dispute for a house in Kemper County Mississippi, when they both live in Tuscaloosa.

DJC said...

Not sure that's how it went down, but regardless, if he didn't find out till after she took the car and was gone, he's not guilty of conspiracy. He may still be guilty of aiding and abetting and/or obstruction however. Of course, this is all hypothetical as none of us really know what happened.

DJC said...

You would think he would have already sought his release, but I'm not even sure if he would need a release to transfer to a Juco community college? It's a horrible move for him, even if this does all get cleared up. It is in his best interest to be as far away from Kemper County MS as possible.

crimsontider said...

Cecil Hurt reported he was considering transferring to East Mississippi community college, so getting away from home was not why he was considering transferring.

crimsontider said...

Aiding a kidnapping is enough for me.

DJC said...

I know this, which is why I said it was/is a horrible move for him. Frankly, he would have been better off going to Texas or Cal or Washington or somewhere than Alabama.

DJC said...

And more.. http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/article/20130605/NEWS/130609890


He was indicted, and the indictment alleges that he knew about the plot, and drove to a church in Boligee to meet the other perps, and provided them with a screwdriver and a wrench. The story fails to give any explanation as to what the hell the tools have to do with the kidnapping. I would like to actually read the indictment, because there are a lot of holes in this story that just don't add up.

crimsontider said...

The Pollard apoligists are going to have a really hard time with this one. Kid's a thug. Kick him off.

crimsontider said...

He also left the phone receipt/hotel card in his car. Not only is he a thug, but he also (apparently) has an IQ of about 25. So long, Devonta.

Msmilie said...

Who are the apologists, you smug punk? All I argued for was wait until the facts are in before you judge the guy. An indictment is not a conviction of an admission of guilt. I hope you never serve on a jury, CT.

bobbyjack said...

Yikes! I admit I haven't been following this closely, but the mere implications of this makes me glad to know DP won't be part of this team again.

I think the regulars of this board should go try out for the team... we're gonna be in dire need of bodies.

crimsontider said...

"An indictment is not a conviction" So, I assume you think Saban should not have kicked of those 4 players charged with robbery. Same scenario here. Have to kick him off, no choice.

crimsontider said...

My approach as a jury member would be different. Like I said, he is entitled to a day in court, he is not entitled to play basketball for the University of Alabama.

Msmilie said...

No, I get it. Grant will have little choice but to let the kid go in the wake of today's news, but you're calling someone a "thug" (the typical white boy response when a person of color gets into some trouble) who has yet to be convicted of doing anything thuggish.

Msmilie said...

As long as someone doesn't guard me, I've got a pretty sweet jump shot.

Msmilie said...

"My approach as a jury member would be different." WTF????

crimsontider said...

I'm not calling him a thug, because he's black. I'm calling him a thug, because I believe the FBI when they tell me he participated in a kidnapping.

crimsontider said...

I am saying that he does not have to be convicted to lose his scholarship, which is what I have called for.

crimsontider said...

Good thing we have guy's like Charles Hankerson, and Moussa Gueye to soften the load....

Msmilie said...

And if he is ultimately not convicted, will you apologize for blindly believing the FBI and calling Devonta Pollard a thug?

Msmilie said...

He's not a thug. He did not harm anyone. The FBI alleges that he assisted his mother in this crime, which is bad, but I hardly think it deserves the "thug" condemnation. I knew some thugs when I was younger. I can tell you about thugs. If Devonta Pollard is anything, he's just dumb for blindly following his mother down this path that might land both of them in the clink.

crimsontider said...

It depends, I might it takes a lot to convict people in this country, which for the most part is a good thing, but it is not always right. For example OJ, Casey Anthony, etc...

crimsontider said...

Kidnapping is an awful crime, you don;t have to harm someone to be a thug. Look at Marshall Henderson.

Msmilie said...

That's the price you pay for having a justice system, man. It doesn't always work, but imagine the alternative.

crimsontider said...

Is It asking too much for Anthony Grant to get of his you know what, and issue a statement?

Msmilie said...

Marshall Henderson is a #*!@ing idiot at worst, an immature screwball at best. Nothing more, nothing less.

Msmilie said...

I doubt a statement will be made until a final decision concerning Pollard's future with the program is determined. Don't swing this back onto Anthony Grant just to find a reason ride his butt. I'm sure he's as perplexed by this situation as the rest of us.

crimsontider said...

Grant needs to show some leadership, he needs to provide damage control, and stop the bleeding.

crimsontider said...

He's been to prison 3 times, he's a thug.

CrowTide said...

well, that is one thing Pollard couldn't do. So we might just have a spot for you