Monday, March 23, 2015

Coaching rumors post

Feel free to drop them in the comments here.

I'm sticking to Crean to Bama with Indiana getting Marshall when Wichita St is done in the tourney. I believe IU will soften the buyout as they want to move on.

If we strike out on Crean  and Mi$$ $t gets Howland I might be upset.

Unfortunately for DJC and myself it doesn't seem like Eustachy is getting a look. Maybe that changes if Plan A (Marshall/Crean/Smart) doesn't work.

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needtoknow said...

If we strike out I hope its in this order: Marshall Smart then Crean
Those first two are major coups.

citadeltidefan said...

Howland is on his way to Starkvegas according to ESPN. Also CBS just reported this:

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/25119705/alabama-prepared-to-make-big-run-at-wichita-state-coach-gregg-marshall



Who ever leaked that may have screwed the pooch on us getting Marshall. The Kansas media will hound him this entire week about the Bama job which may destroy our chances. I hope Smart, Crean or Miller are open to coming or else Miss State might have forced us to settle on Prohm...that would be miserable.

bobbyjack said...

Parrish is a friend to Bama... he "broke" the Albert Means story right?
In the end I think it was leaked enough already... if we don't get him at least I'm comfortable saying we tried.
Howland would've been a bad fit here, but name recognition alone is worth it's weight to Mi$$ $t. Good pickup by them.

Msmilie said...

It seems like Battle is committed to throw heaps of money at Gregg Marshall. I'm not sure this is the right strategy. If it works out and UA hires Marshall, great. But it's a gamble to wait another 1-2 weeks to lock this up. In the next couple of weeks, the following could happen. Texas could fire Rick Barnes, Memphis could fire Josh Pastner. If that happens, both schools will come knocking at Marshall's door. In my opinion, both are better jobs than Alabama right now. And Texas actually has the payola to match anything Bama is offering. If I'm a coach with no ties to the region and it comes down to Austin or Tuscaloosa, I'm picking Austin.

The word is that Shaka Smart is interested in the job. VCU's season is over. Would it be weird to hire back-to-back VCU coaches? Sure. But Smart has done a great job at VCU in overseeing the transition from the CAA to the A-10. His style of play would excite fans, and, more importantly, attract recruits. I also think the majority of the returning roster, if not all of them, would stay to play for Smart. Is he a better X and O guy than Marshall? Probably not. But he may be a better fit at Alabama. If Battle is unsure about Marshall, and Smart wants the job, and Smart is their number 2 option, why not offer Smart the job.

Something else to consider. A lot of rumors coming out of Gainesville that Donovan may be entertaining the NBA yet again. If he splits Gainesville, Smart is probably Florida's top candidate. Say that happens within the next week or two, Florida makes a move, and Marshall declines Battle. All of a sudden, Bama's top two coaching options are suddenly out of the picture, and things suddenly get very dicey.

Auburn has Bruce Pearl. Mississippi State now has Ben Howland (still trying to wrap my brain around that hire). Battle better make the right call here, or none of us who write, read and comment to this blog are going to be very happy for the foreseeable future.

Msmilie said...

Crean isn't happening. IU would have to pay him 12 million if they fired him now, 7 million by July. I don't see Alabama picking up that tab. He's at Indiana for at least one more year, for better or worse.

citadeltidefan said...

I agree that if we know Smart is interested we should just go ahead and offer him unless we're almost for certain Marshall will come. I think there's too much risk involved. We don't want to be odd man out. I have a hard time believing Marshall would leave WSU for Bama especially after the Kansas win...hopefully Battle knows something we don't.

Iron Mike Sharpe said...

Texas yes, Memphis no. Seems like they are backing the Brinks up to Marshall. I just hope they have a good contingency plan (read Crean/Eustachy/Barnes) otherwise on the surface $tate looks better.

CTider said...

It's better to get it right than to get it done quickly. I think you absolutely wait for Marshall here. If you strike out and end up with Steve Prohm, then so be it. I agree with you that if a guy like Smart or Archie Miller wants the job right now, then give it to them, but other than that, I don't think Battle has to be in a rush here.

Msmilie said...

They can do it quickly and right if someone like Smart is interested in the job right now. I like Marshall as well, but Alabama can't afford to end up with Prohm or a similar guy. The SEC is starting to figure things out on the basketball front. Alabama has to make the right hire now, or we can get used to Wednesday night games in the SEC tournament.

CTider said...

Yep. Pressures on Battle. Let's hope he comes through.

finebammer said...

we are gonna get screwed.

256Bradley said...

Idk 2 much bout coaches but Cream is á solid coach . proven recruiter he was under alot of pressure át IU. bring him down here in the shadow of Saban he could thrive . da next guy needs 2 secure Dazon Ingram the kid ís á stud

Drifter said...

Marshall is the hottest name out there, and he's in the drivers seat.

We need him, he doesn't need us.

He wants to coach at a basketball school.

His family loves Wichita.

His kids have certain universities they want to attend, and none of them are Alabama.

The Koch Brothers will offer to pay enough to keep him.

I just don't think he's going to grace us with his presence.

And if we get ridiculous and offer 5-million for him, we will have paid too much.

He's had good results, but no National Championship. (yet)

I like him, but I don't love him.

I think Shaka would do just as well or better at Bama, and I'm not stuck on him either.

finebammer said...

Howland to the left of me, Bruce Pearl to the right, here I am stuck in the middle with............

did you see what i did there???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DohRa9lsx0Q&spfreload=10



more cowbell?

finebammer said...

when we started this process without a plan (see missi freakin'ssippi state) we sadly relegated ourselves to the odd man out.


how we ever wound up with Nick Saban as our football coach is absolutely beyond me.

finebammer said...

finally, a legitimate reason to hate the Koch brothers.

finebammer said...

"Who ever leaked that may have screwed the pooch........"


when i read this in Scarbinsky's piece i knew we did. and i'm telling you, he got that to print faster than any story he's probably done. he's had an axe to grind on us ever since this ala/b'ham football thing went down. ultimately, we'll regret Jr. ever having kicked that ant bed. we gave Scarbinsky and Parrish the ammo to sabotage our search.

Drifter said...

Who has made our intended negotiations with Marshall public? There are only 2 possibilities.

1. Battle's camp

2. Marshall's camp

There is no reason for Battle to do so.

There is every reason for Marshall('s agent) to do so.



To drive up his value with us or someone else.

Drifter said...

Scab had to get it from someone. If not Marshall's agent, then Battle's office. If Battle let this leak, then its on him.

finebammer said...

well, according to Scarbinsky it was a "source close to the program". it's been my experience in the past that there's a lot of loose cannons around that athletic dept. that's what made Saban the perfect fit for the job. he's a control freak. you know how he keeps his finger on the flow of information from that football program.


i will guarantee you this came from someone under Battle who when they found out his intentions couldn't wait to run their fukn trap to Kevin.

citadeltidefan said...

If true and the source is discovered that individual should be gone...as I said before that could of destroyed everything with Marshall.

finebammer said...

but again, this all started when the fan base and boosters discovered that Battle had NO INTENTION of canning Grant. he was pushed into doing it (remember Cecil's "11th hour pressure" tweet) and as a result had no plan in place where to go from there. THAT'S where this cluster fk all started.

Msmilie said...

Absolutely disgusting to watch the college sports media today lambasting the idea of Gregg Marshall even considering the Alabama job. ESPN talking heads lined up to say there's no way that Gregg Marshall will play second fiddle to Nick Saban (these idiots always bring football into the equation, and then scold Alabama fans for prioritizing football over basketball). Seems like there's a concerted effort from the media to muck up this coaching search for Alabama (I'm sure the fact that Bruce Pearl was a former employee at ESPN - and a temp employee during the NCAA tournament - has nothing to do with it). Yeah, someone screwed up at UA in leaking this information, and thus causing a shitstorm over it, but this idea that Alabama - one of the most profitable athletic departments in the country - can't go out and hire a big name coach is absurd.

CTider said...

Could've had Bruce Pearl. Could've had Buzz Williams. Could've had Ben Howland. If we end up with a guy like Steve Prohm, I'll support him, but the fan base will be pissed off and they should be.

Drifter said...

Leaking this was lunacy. We deserve what we get.

citadeltidefan said...

I know it sounds like some conspiracy but I do agree that the media's love fest for Pearl has something to do with their negative reaction. They act as if we have the basketball tradition of Penn State. Even local media has hounded and mocked us. Lance Taylor said that freakin ARIZONA STATE is on the same level as UA hoops! They have half the NCAA appearances we do plus their arena makes Coleman look like AT&T stadium (I have a relative who went to school there). Shockingly, Clay Travis was the only member of the media I've heard of all day who has commended Alabama and said that there was no risk in the move in fact he said he thought it made us look good like we were committed to bball.

bobbyjack said...

While we might have egg on our face if we miss out on the guys you listed, in the long run a guy like Prohm/Hurley/Miller could be viewed as a great get.
I'm not going to be disappointed unless we wheel Wendell out from his office. Regardless of how this search ends at least I know they are serious about making a splash in hoops. It is all I ever asked for.

RichTide said...

because RichRod said no. better to be lucky than good

CTider said...

When Mississippi State and Auburn hire proven coaches, but we can't, that's complete incompetence on the part of our AD.

finebammer said...

three stories have come together here to embroil Battle in a perfect storm.


first, Battle being pushed into firing Grant. he wasn't planning on doing it and it left him unprepared for the search process. no names. no back channel contacts.


second, the leak. no matter where the leak came from, it tipped Battle's hand. this now gives programs with coaches he might be interested in time to rally the troops (money) to try and retain their coaches. plus, now you have the national sports media sticking their microphones in coaches faces asking them about taking Alabama's money and job. (i was rather surprised at Marshall's answer today when he was asked about the Alabama job. -paraphrasing- said he would entertain crazy offers after the season. anybody seen this guy and Spurrier in the same room together?)


and the wild card in all this is the black eye the University is getting in the national media over this ala/b'ham football thing.


and really, this story starts with Bill Curry. now mind you the northeast sports media cabal has had an axe to grind with Alabama for decades. but when Curry went to work for ESPN, their game went up a few notches. i'm sure once Bill regaled them with the brick-through-the-office-window tale and about having to call the FBI before the Auburn game, it solidified their perceptions.


then came Gottfried. there's no telling the wailing and caterwauling that went on in ESPN break rooms to anybody who would listen.


now this ala/b'ham football thing. no one could have predicted the national exposure this story has gotten over a football program that nobody in b'ham gave two rips about. now the b'ham snooze is doing investigative stories and ESPN has jumped on their bandwagon and it's big bad bully tuscaloosa versus the baby-with-it's-candy-taken b'ham. it wouldn't shock me to know they have a go-fund-me page.


and trust me, all of this is affecting the spin they put on the University of Alabama's search of a basketball coach.


and it ain't good.

finebammer said...

we're about to test that theory again.

Msmilie said...

I was surprised by Marshall's response as well, but in a good way. I find it refreshing that a guy who knows the cards are in his favor said screw it and answered a question honestly. Hell yeah he's going to listen if Alabama shoves 3-4 million under his nose.

What was disappointing were the number of Alabama fans I saw on the internet who responded to that negatively. More than a few ripped the guy for not going the "no comment", while others said he sounded "cocky". Okay, two things. He's being asked the question. He answers it honestly. Should he have gone the 2007 Saban route, then get ripped if he takes the Bama job? And is he cocky? I sure hope so. I want a guy who believes in himself to get the job done. We've been suffering through peaks and valleys with this program for twenty years. At this point, the program needs a strong personality to get this thing rolling.

Msmilie said...

When and if Alabama gets the right guy, 2-3 years from now you will be very happy that Bruce Pearl was not hired.

RichTide said...

I could care less what the national media say about us. Has been happening before Grant got fired. They were downright giddy when Meyer beat the great Satan.

Most of the bball games I've gone attended that past 3 years are non-SEC road games. The opposing fans were respectable but felt like what a Kentucky fan probably feels like at a football game in Tuscaloosa. Condescending compassion.

There is lot of hate national hate against Alabama for being so dominant in football. I've lived in PA and IL and there are large factions of fans that spew nothing but hate and revel in backwoods/ redneck jokes since our state is known for nothing else but football and racism. Meanwhile they wear there Notre Dame gear everywhere and their only connection to ND is they are Catholic.

Things are always darkest before the light. This still is nothing like the absurdity when RichRod turned us down. Then Saban showed up and oh how the media bowed to the alter of Bama football. Battle may be coming across as incompetent but he didn't decide to fire Grant over night. He had 3 full days from the Florida loss to Sunday. There are a lot of conversations that can happen in 3 days. That Battle is doing this 'himself' and didn't hire a consultant says something. That fact Miss State fired Ray after 3 yrs and hired Howland immediately (and we didn't even though he was available) says something. That we still haven't pulled the trigger on someone (when Miller, White or Proehm could have been snatched by Miss State or Ariz St) says something.

I still believe we are going big and will land someone big.

RichTide said...

Crazy thought, but what if the Marshall story was leaked intentionally to let the national media obsess over the shiny object, meanwhile something else completely different was happening in the shadows? Just a crazy thought...

RichTide said...

3 Final Fours is nothing to sneeze at. Agree, bad fit here. But huge for $tate.

The SEC is playing for keeps. The national media will regret mocking SEC bball for the past 5 yrs. The Pac-10 dominated softball, now SEC does. Between LSU, USCe and Vandy we dominate baseball. Pac-10 dominated tennis and golf, now the SEC does. Utah dominated early in gymnastics, now Bama, UGa, Florida (and lately LSU and Auburn) do. Auburn dominated swimming for years. SEC women's bball has always been strong. Men's bball is the lone laggard. The $tate and Bama hires may very well be the tipping point. Watch out...

Drifter said...

I'm going to count to ten. If you know this to be true, say nothing. If you know it to be false, stop me before I reach ten.
One. Two. Three. Four...

Drifter said...

At least they're talking about Alabama during March Madness.

Patrick Kelley said...

Do you believe Bill Battle back channeled this potential hire before firing Grant? With all do respect to Steve Prohm and Mike White, I don't believe we should go that route. We can't afford an "up and comer" without guarantee. Ask Illinois fans how they feel about John Groce right now. He looked great when he was hired, but all he really did was beat Georgetown in the tourney while at Ohio and he became the hot coach. I've always liked Gregg Marshall, even remember the game in 2005 that I attended in which Alabama held off Winthrop 60-57 and had a potential game winning shot rim out late in the game. The leaking of this story about Marshall is puzzling. It either confirms that some contact has been made prior to this breaking or potentially his agent leaked this knowing that the interest could open up other jobs, i.e. Texas as Rick Barnes could be walking at any moment. I hold Alabama basketball in the same regard as Alabama football, which is rare among the fan base. It has been frustrating the last couple of days to hear so called talking heads diminish the Alabama basketball program as a dead end. People seem to forget we literally gave the game away at Wichita in December after being up 11 in the last 6 minutes. People seem to forget the historical value of Bama basketball from a conference and national standpoint. I don't have a clue on how this is going to end and I have no inside knowledge, but I have to think Bill Battle is smarter than people think. I don't believe Grant would have been fired unless we knew we could get the right guy. The program is at a stage where we can't take a chance in falling behind even further. I believe Coleman Coliseum gets a bad rap, but now I believe now is the time to build a new basketball facility that will attract recruits, etc. It will be costly, but Alabama can do it. Baseball is getting a new facility, Bryant-Denny is the gold standard and basketball should be right there in line. I hope this ends well and our fans need to change their mindset when it comes to basketball. Support the program beginning in November and not just after the football season ends. I agree that Marshall is a game changer, but right now I have a low expectation of being able to get him and that is what's baffling. I hate hearing Seth Greenberg and Andy Katz stating that Wichita St. is a much better job than Alabama. No one would have said that 10-15 years ago. I am also sick of hearing about basketball being in the shadow of football and Nick Saban. Sorry for the long post, but this search means we either will be a force over the next decade or it could set the program back another 5 years.

Drifter said...

I'm not pulling for Notre Dame. I really don't like them at all, and I'd just as soon Marshall come here with a ring.
If he doesn't come, that's fine too.
He's either coming for the money or he's not.

citadeltidefan said...

We really need WSU to lose tomorrow..I have a feeling Texas will part with Rick Barnes on April 1. They will prob send out feelers to Marshall asap so we need to be able to move quick that won't happen until WSU loses.

http://texas.247sports.com/Article/Texas-Longhorns-Examining-a-potential-Rick-Barnes-buyout-36370765

Tide Bballfan 1981 said...

I Really hate article like this one. I am so tired of the sports writers around the country that knows absolutely nothing about Alabama basketball's history saying junk like this:

http://www.kansas.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/bob-lutz/article16180082.html

Drifter said...

From another board:
'Capstone15' says "My source inside the ADs office tells me... CGM has been offered a 6 yr $31.5 million contract...

His preliminary response is positive and a final answer should come by Sunday afternoon

Just telling what I've heard" 2015-03-27 13:56:14

needtoknow said...

That will give Texas plenty of time to counter offer but a big nut to crack if true

Msmilie said...

That's a lot of scratch. Hard to say no, if true. At that price tag, there will also be pressure to show quick results.

needtoknow said...

Lacey out of tourney. Good for him. Must not have got enough touches.

bobbyjack said...

I think it comes down to Marshall, then Archie Miller, then Prohm. I hope we wrap up Marshall by Sunday as when the Texas job officially opens up they will scoop him up.

CTider said...

Miller and Prohm just signed extensions, FYI.

Drifter said...

I don't see him going to Austin. Tuscaloosa more family friendly.

CTider said...

Do you have a source telling you that, or are you speculating?

finebammer said...

for the record Lacey led the Wolfpack in scoring for the game with 18. also had 5 rebounds and 3 assists. I'd say he did his part to help NC State try and win the game.


but don't let that stop the hatin'.

finebammer said...

which means nothing CT. i think Prohm's new contract is $500,000 a year. somebody offers him 2.5 a year and what does he do???


(and for the record, if after all this we wind up with Prohm without at the very least reaching out to an Avery Johnson to gauge his interest, this search will officially be a disaster)

finebammer said...

Cecil Hurt was asked about this rumor on twitter. he thought it highly unlikely. i'm with him. plus, if you're gonna spend that kind of money, don't you go after a proven power conference coach??


that's Calipari money.

needtoknow said...

I don't give a crap what he did for North Carolina State.. I love and support all things Alabama only. You can keep loving him.

Drifter said...

"I think"
from reading about her (and him), they are people who would like the slower pace of Tuscaloosa better than Austin, The Live Music Capital of the World.

Drifter said...

What I would love is for this deal to be done by Monday, and then Marshall be a guest commentator on the Final Four broadcast.

finebammer said...

"I love and support all things Alabama only."


well that's good to hear, bud. and if it's true, i know your "all" about upgrading Alabama's basketball program to the point it can attract and keep players like Trevor Lacey. i would remind you Lacey was a two time Alabama Mr. Basketball. he was recruited by the blue-blood basketball programs. he chose to stay in-state and play for Alabama. that he spent two minutes in Tuscaloosa, much less two years, should earn your appreciation. (there's a laundry list of elite players that left the state for "basketball schools" without giving 'Bama so much as a sniff)


why?


because the University hasn't prioritized basketball to have earned much more respect than that. and all your "love and support" can't change that. (not unless you're ready to donate the cash and have the power of persuasion to change the culture at the Capstone) elite players aren't lining up to sign with 'Bama like they do at Duke, Kentucky or UNC. i'm sure that comes as a shock to you.


whether you like it or not, Trevor Lacey is an elite player. he proved it in high school. he has proven it this season playing against the best in arguably the best basketball conference. look no further than the tournament. teams with players like Lacey. and if you love 'Bama b'ball like you say you do, you better get used to the idea that without players and a coach like your watching in the Dance, the team you "love and support" ain't gonna dance.


and any coach coaching right now will tell you, that without teams full of Trevor Lacey's, elite players, they are sitting at home. and that's just a fact.


don't hate the player, bud.

finebammer said...

that's right Drift. dream big. shoot for the stars.

bobbyjack said...

Exactly. Alford signed an extension with NM and bolted for UCLA a few days later.

bobbyjack said...

Anyone else see Grant on TNT? I think that was his first public appearance in 3 years.
Free promo by Marshall would be awesome... and the funny thing is if he lands here we need to thank Bruce Pearl and Auburn for raising the stakes in the state regarding basketball.

needtoknow said...

You sound like his agent. I never said Lacey wasn't a good player. Here's the facts Jack. He averaged 15.7 points at State this year. Levi Randolph averaged 15.4 points this year. That's a wash. I choose to support Levi who was loyal to the Alabama program. Does Trevor get more attention at State? D__m straight. I live in the Carolinas. I see Lacey play a lot but I also see Levi play and difference between them is MINOR. Now what is different and MAJOR is the difference in basketball cultures between Alabama and North Carolina so I agree with you on that one

Finally if Lacey is on the Alabama team this year I believe we're in tournament. Just my opinion. We all have them right?

Msmilie said...

Rick Barnes is out at Texas. I think that might doom Alabama in regards to Marshall. Better have a plan B, Mr. Battle.

CTider said...

Hopefully Texas targets Smart.

Msmilie said...

A lot of chatter out there that Marshall has told Alabama no thanks now that Texas has opened up. Now that Alabama has shown their hand regarding the money, agents must be salivating at how much a desperate Alabama will be willing to pay. I got a feeling this is now officially a shit show.

CTider said...

Sounds like The Good 'Ole Boy Network is taking control of this search. You just knew that CM Newton was going to stick his nose in this, never mind that he is a huge reason why we are in this situation. Richard Pitino? Are you kidding me? Auburn gets Bruce Pearl, $tate gets Ben Howland, but we (The Second winningest program in the history of the SEC) get a 32 year old with 3 years of head coaching experience and one NIT resume, because 'Ole CM is friends with his daddy? This is a ClusterF***
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/what-rick-barnes--dismissal-says-about-texas--and-what-s-next-for-the-longhorns-230810668-ncaab.html;_ylt=A0LEV70YORdVWzgA1OwnnIlQ

CTider said...

Steve Prohm, Mike White, even Philip Pearson would all be better than Richard Pitino.

Drifter said...

On second thought..,

Drifter said...

Can we get Brey?

CTider said...

To coach basketball?

needtoknow said...

What do y o u think? NO!!!!

Drifter said...

@richardjustice: Looks like Coach Calipari is distracted by a certain job opening in Austin.

Msmilie said...

Uh, yeah. He's not going to leave the best job in college basketball for another college basketball job.

Msmilie said...

How so? Experience is about the same. Pitino actually has an NIT title on his resume (I know, I know, the NIT is stupid and yucky)

CTider said...

Prohm and Pearson attended the University, and would promote the program and have staying power. White took a previously terrible program and made them respectable. Minnesota actually won a tournament game the year before Pitino got there, and hasn't made it in either of his two years, underachieving this year. Right now, the best thing on Pitino's resume is his last name. If he is hired, it's pretty clear who is running this program. r

finebammer said...

yahoo.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/what-rick-barnes--dismissal-says-about-texas--and-what-s-next-for-the-longhorns-230810668-ncaab.html

CTider said...

I don't want any of those guys, but if I had to choose one it wouldn't be Pitino. His qualifications are not good enough for this job. Having a convenient last name isn't a coaching skill.

Drifter said...

He used his last T.O. too soon. I don't want him.

Drifter said...

Other sources say Marshall did not tell Alabama to save their breath, but we"ll see. Some think Texas is going to offer Calipari a gargantuan contract. Even if Cal doesn't take it, the time they spend on that effort may give us time to win Mr. and Mrs. Marshall and the children.

Drifter said...

It ain't over till its over.

CTider said...

There is absolutely no chance that Texas is dumb enough to waste any of their time on Calipari.

RichTide said...

Only with Bama power brokers can you shoot for the moon and....shat on the sidewalk

RichTide said...

If CM Newton is anywhere near this hire, Battle should be fired immediately

CTider said...

Damn Straight

RichTide said...

Raise your hand if you thought a year ago the raging dumpster fires that were Auburn and Mi$$ State hoops would be all abuzz while Bama hoops was not only the laughing stock of the nation but radioactive to any good established coach. Everyone put your hands down...

Msmilie said...

His qualifications are every bit as good as Prohm or White, and especially Pearson, who has never been a head coach. The bottom line is this: Alabama made a woeful miscalculation in assuming that one guy would fall for their millions. They did not have a plan in place, and now are left with potential consequences. Pitino may or not be the answer. Unfortunately, if we are to believe what's floating around out there, Alabama has put itself in a position to have to take another gamble on an "up-and-coming coach". Better hope the dice comes up 7.

The number one candidate on the list should have been Ben Howland. The guy had been out of coaching for a couple of years, he was hungry, his resume was more than adequate, and he would have jumped if Alabama had approached him. Instead, I read comments at this blog saying he would have been a bad fit. Really? Let's see where he has Mississippi State in three years. Meanwhile, we'll still probably be shitting on each other regarding the state of the program. To quote Jim Morrison: "True sailing is dead." Hopefully they get this over with by Monday so we can spit and curse at each other for another five years.

finebammer said...

if the guy has any kind of an agent, you would think the Alabama offer would be a wonderful bargaining chip even if he wasn't going to consider the job. i mean NOBODY thought Saban was going to leave for Texas, right??? but that didn't stop Sexton from using the Longhorns interest in Saban to wedge more money out of us.

and speaking of football..........

http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/index.ssf/2015/03/alabama_defensive_tackle_jonat.html#incart_river



dude.

Drifter said...

It's not over till Terry says its over. Our best recruiter and her husband were busy over the weekend hosting a huge coaches clinic (Bill Cowher etc.). They haven't worked their magic yet. Something could/should/might happen in that regard Monday, according to my best information.

DJC said...

I'm not ready to concede that Marshall is off the table. Yes, Texas has more money, resources, better in-state talent, etc, that make it more attractive of a job, but their administration is arguably an even bigger clusterfuck than ours. There's a number of ways they can screw this up. There are rumors out there that Shaka Smart is their number one target. Even if that's not the case, Marshall won't be offered the control there that he would have here. Furthermore, they just fired a guy who was in the tournament and has had a pretty successful career, he's made the NCAA tournament 19 out of 20 years. and made a final four in 2002-03. If we are in the same ballpark financially, one can make a pretty solid argument that our job is more stable.

CTider said...

Heard rumors of a possible meeting on Monday. You hearing anything?

Drifter said...

"Having a convenient last name isn't a coaching skill."
Touche' :)
I WILL be using this.

Drifter said...

"Marshall won't be offered the control there that he would have here."
This is key, and with the way this is shaping up, will at this point in time be easy for BB to agree to, with the blessing of the PTB.

Drifter said...

I'm convinced this is going to happen

finebammer said...

if you're on twitter, follow Kirk Bohls. (@kbohls) writer for the Austin American-Statesman. he's tweeting that he's hearing UT will not go over 3 mill for their new coach. scroll down and read some of his tweets about Barnes. makes him sound like a class guy.

Drifter said...

I believe this is Texas saving face because Marshall has balked at going to Austin, because they refuse to give him total control.

finebammer said...

if true, little else makes sense. UT austerity??? please.

RichTide said...

My buddy in Wichita (works for WSU Math Dept) just texted me "shit"

RichTide said...

or someone may have dinged his car

Drifter said...

One source says Marshall has agreed to 6-year $25 million dollar deal with the Good Guys.

CTider said...

How good's your source?

finebammer said...

just one more whack on the Izzo dead horse:

did anyone see Tom and Magic 'sittin' in a tree, K I S S I N G' after the Spartans dispatched Louisville last night???

remember the pine box they'd have to drag Tommy Tubberville out of Oxford Mississippi in???

i thought of the 'Izzo-to-'Bama' nuts watching the genuine affection Izzo and the greatest Michigan St. alumus have for each other. i thought of how representative Magic is of the Michigan St. administration, the alumni, the students, the fans.

and i thought about what idiots it made of anybody who thought Tom Izzo was leaving Lansing Michigan in anything other than a pine box.

and now for one of those famous (or infamous) country music interludes i know you guys love me for:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9Qaf7yXLZE&spfreload=10

finebammer said...

just in case the deductable's to high: https://www.dingking.tv/?leadsource=PS112&mkwid=DKcshLY2_dc%7Cpcrid%7C319737037%7Cpkw%7Cding%20king%20kit%7Cpmt%7Cb%7C

Drifter said...

We'll see. :)

Drifter said...

Originally Posted by shockerfan



All I know is news stations are working on an announcement for noon.



TO ME and only TO ME it sounds like it is an announcement he is leaving.
PERHAPS I am misinterpreting and it will be him staying. That is the
part I am not sure. I don't know for SURE if it is good news or bad
news. Just that as of right now there is something planned for noon.



IF nothing comes of it I will go into detail because that would mean something changed.



Sorry I can't give you more. But either way it sounds like we will know today



I'm not saying you're wrong, but if you're right this is about the
best kept secret amongst 650K people that humanity has ever seen. You
broke this news - what - an hour ago, and you're still the lone drum
beat.

finebammer said...

Cecil just tweeted Battle is flying to Wichita today. if he doesn't bring Marshall back with him, i think the answer's pretty obvious.

Msmilie said...

A lot seems to have changed in the past 48 hours. This story has gone from Marshall giving Alabama the kiss off to Battle traveling to Wichita to meet with Marshall. Who the hell knows at this point? I just hope whatever way it goes, this is wrapped up this week. I'm interested to see how the roster shifts once the new hire is made. Who stays, who goes.

bobbyjack said...

Is Marshall our HC by the end of this week? I say:

bobbyjack said...

Is Marshall our HC by the end of this week? Well...

finebammer said...

Gary Parrish reporting Barnes to Tennessee a matter of "finalizing the deal".


if Battle doesn't bring home Marshall, serious egg on 'Bama's face.

bobbyjack said...

Chill fb... Marshall IS coming. The money was too much.

CTider said...

How do you know?

finebammer said...

came back without him.

http://www.al.com/alabamabasketball/index.ssf/2015/03/bill_battle_wichita_airport_gregg_marshall.html#incart_river



not good. not good.

RichTide said...

Is there not ONE Bama fan in Wichita with a long lens camera than can camp out in front of Marshall's crib?!

RichTide said...

and maybe pretend to be the cable guy and plant a bug in his lamp?

finebammer said...

just not feeling good about this. the guy's got to go home and think about a 2 million dollar a year raise??


maybe it's just my disappointment with the dumpster fire Saban's presser turned out to be. you'd think for seven million bucks a year he could be a little more media savvy.

CTider said...

Marshall might want to inform his team? We probably would have heard something by now if he told Battle "No"

RichTide said...

doubt it's the money. we don't want him to be a Franchione. let him tell his players, get movers lined up, find a Brinks truck to load up the gold bricks Battle dumped in his living room

RichTide said...

One of you living in AL needs to position yourself at the top of Denny chimes. Set up a live web cam and every hr send out white or black smoke indicating if we have a coach.

finebammer said...

http://texas.scout.com/story/1532972-texas-hoops-search-focusing-on-smart

"one source said Patterson didn't see Marshall as a good fit "personality wise" for Texas. Marshall has a reputation for being blunt and speaking his mind, which can come off the wrong way, at times, the sources said."



wasn't worried about bluntness when trying to poach our football coach. but seriously, did they not want to pay or was Marshall just not their guy.


and chasing Jay Wright???

Drifter said...

Shaka is sloberring all over himself hoping GM turns us down.

Drifter said...

Marshall told them THEY weren't a good fit for HIM.

Drifter said...

This guy knows Shaka

"So after a wonderful weekend in Willimasburg celebrating...
My dad's 75th birthday, I have moved on to downtown Richmond for some
business dealings. I was just having lunch at the bar at the
prestigious 'Pasture', and low and behold, Shaka is dining two seats
down. I didn't really want to bother him, as that's just not my style,
but he recognized me and initiated the conversation. I have done some
RPI consulting for VCU in the past, and he is always interested in
discussing latest changes, etc.

Anyway, I asked him about Texas and
tried to stay away from the Bama situation, but he more or less
volunteered what is going on. The first thing he said was 'any coach
looking to make a move would absolutely consider Alabama the best job on
the market'. There is a realization that it's only a matter of time
before Alabama puts the resources that they have in football in to
basketball, and it can be one of the best jobs in the country. He said
the blueprint that they have defined on the football side is what any
coach would want. I asked what he thought of Texas not being interested
in GM, he said "yeah, because they knew or GM told them Bama is the
focus".

He thinks the Texas job is intriguing for the same reasons on a different level, but make no mistake, it's a different level."

needtoknow said...

Any idea about the delay? Just being deliberate?

Drifter said...

From WS board: "The offer from Bama is 4.2M for 6 years. Gregg has till Friday to decide. Word is Lynn and kids don't want to go. Gregg is looking at it as one more move before he retires, so it better be the right financial package. He doesn't want to coach forever. The cons for going to Bama are no real fan commitment to basketball; sh_t team next year; 2-3 year rebuilding plan; SEC is the SEC, cheating is almost an excepted practice...Bama fans probably alright with it if it yields results. WSU can probably get to 2.1 or 2.2M base, with incentives bringing it to 2.5+. The only reason he leaves is for the money. How much do you really need Gregg? Don't be a gun for hire. Be our coach where you are loved and respected. You have a great and predictable gig here. Don't screw up happy."

CTider said...

Disaster. Complete fucking disaster.
http://www.startribune.com/sports/gophers/298173661.html

citadeltidefan said...

This sounds like something a WSU fan concocted "cheating is almost an accepted practice...Bama fans probably alright with it as it yield results, 2-3 year rebuilding plan, no real fan commitment to basketball" come on. The wife and family part is the part that sounds realistic which I could see has some semblance of truth to and could be whats keeping him from taking the job. Its funny their fans forget that they were nothing before Gregg Marshall got there and had no great tradition to speak of...reminds me of FSU fans cockiness in the 90's. They speak as if Bama is a lowly bottom feeder to them (which the past few years we have been pretty bad) but that is not how been historically at all not to mention our much greater potential, SEC network, national name brand/exposure etc.

CTider said...

If this is who we end up with, Battle should resign.

finebammer said...

Friday..........outrageous. if you're not willing to walk away, you're not negotiating. we're looking to make ANOTHER mid-major coach filthy rich and we're waiting a fucking week AGAIN.

This guy's not gonna take the job.

WALK AWAY.

CTider said...

Marshall is not Grant. Marshall is a proven coach. You absolutely wait for this guy to make his decision, especially if plan B is Richard F***ing Pitino.

Msmilie said...

Hmmm, I'm not sure you realize Wichita's tradition. It's nothing approaching blueblood levels, but they have been to two Final Fours, four Elite 8's, six Sweet 16's. They had success prior to Marshall. What he did is expand their program to a level that they can consistently challenge the big boys on the court.

If Marshall comes to Alabama, it will be for the money. Possibly the chance to take Alabama to heights it's never been. But definitely for the money. Alabama simply has nothing else to sell. They don't have the overall history, fans support and facilities (currently). That's why they're throwing the bank at him. I hope it works out. I hope this is a sign that the university is finally going to get serious about basketball in all phases of program development. I hope.

Msmilie said...

Why? He's done what he's supposed to do. He swung for the fences. If Marshall says no, that's not on Battle. He backed up the Brinks truck. By all reports, he's offered Marshall everything he could want. The one thing I would like him to do is put the foot down and say now or never. Either Marshall wants the job or he doesn't.

Msmilie said...

If Marshall or his family are having doubts by this point, I'm not sure you wait. The last thing you want is to hire a guy who may be conflicted about the job. All in or nothing.

CTider said...

It's great that we're going all in for Marshall right now, but it should have never come to this. Grant should have been fired last year, instead we wasted another season with him, and it took Auburn hiring one of the best coaches in the league for us to start giving a shit. We could have had Pearl or Buzz Williams. Ben Howland would have gladly taken the job this year, but we passed on him too. If we let CM Newton make another hire for us, that is a disgrace.

CTider said...

A halfway in Marshall would still be 5X better than CM Newton's pal's 30 year old son. And, who's to say that message board poster is spouting facts? It's one message board post, not a legitimate report. If we took every message board post as a fact, we wouldn't know what to do.

Msmilie said...

If that's true, that it's not a legitimate report, then why are you getting so bent out of shape. You're ready to strangle Bill Battle, CM Newton, Richard Pitino. Calm down, killer. We're all just speculating at this point.

Drifter said...

I believe Pitino's agent put that out.

CTider said...

Fair enough. Although, the Pitino report came from a Minnesota website. I'm just paranoid that if Marshall turns us down, Battle is going to choke and give the hire up to CM.

needtoknow said...

Totally agree about Friday. Tomorrow at the latest. Otherwise his heart is not in it and if Moma ain't happy nobody is happy. Also plenty of other options than little Ricky.

Msmilie said...

No. The complete fucking disaster is the football program right now. Christ. Three arrests in less than a week.

CTider said...

True

finebammer said...

yeah. check the NCAA website. WSU has their own bones rattling around in their past too.

finebammer said...

yeah, well exactly what Power 5 program has he recruited to and coached in??

that's right, i remember now, NONE. we are a better program than the media's making us out to be.

but ONLY if they act like it.

Friday's too damn long to wait for somebody who's not gonna take the job.

exactly how long does it take to decide you're gonna take a two mill a yr raise??

if he hasn't decided to take it Wednesday, he ain't gonna takenit Friday.

bobbyjack said...

Guys... I'm thinking it's Miller Time or go grab your Prohm dress!

CTider said...

I thought you said Marshall was going to take the job?

RichTide said...

If Marshall has indeed been offered $4.2M and he turns us down then Plan B had better be poaching someone else's HC even in Power 5. No Prohm, Archie, White or Pitino. That kind of money is above Donovan and Izzo. So go after Sean Miller, Jay Wright or even Jamie Dixon. Why gamble? I know we wouldn't offer the mid majors $4M+ but if we're willing to go that big then keep going big.

CTider said...

I'm a huge Miller fan, so I'd be thrilled with the hire. Prohm, White, and especially Pitino would all be hugely underwhelming though, no disagreement.

RichTide said...

I know we're not Arizona, Villanova or Pitt but damn...$4M!! If that doesn't say "finally committed to basketball" I don't know what does

RichTide said...

Sources close to the negotiations report Alabama is interested in my daughter's Upwards basketball coach.

See how easy this is...

RichTide said...

In breaking news, due to interest by Alabama ADBB the coach of the Bruins in the Maryville Christian league has been given a contract extension and double his current salary

finebammer said...

is that Maryville Tennessee?

finebammer said...

i'm telling you guys, Avery Johnson has expressed interest in coaching again. thanks to our football program, the leaking dumpster fire this coaching search is, and that uab football shit, we're taking it up the ass in the national media.


Avery would win the presser, he'd win the current players, he'd win the fans and boosters, and he'd win the momma's and daddy's on the recruiting trail.


this guy has lived a life of doing what he was told couldn't be done.


back the brinks truck up to his house and hand him the keys.


how many times do we have to see this movie???

finebammer said...

this is what i tell those who point fingers at the tribulations of others programs. we all go to the same well for water. unfortunately for Saban, he went to puddle water for Taylor. now the mud is on the university's face.

RichTide said...

Having just ripped my kids away from the only house and friends they've ever known to move 500 miles, I can't believe Marshall's teenage daughter is the lynchpin in a $2.5M raise and the chance to be a the Bear Bryant/Nick Saban of Bama basketball.

Move on to Shaka Smart... by all accounts he wants the job over Texas and sees the vision of where we could be.

finebammer said...

to marshall's daughter:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otvf4Ly9NlA&spfreload=10

bobbyjack said...

CT... the family thing is making this a 50/50 shot. I get it so I wouldn't be upset.
Gut feeling plus some info I'm being fed is why my stance has changed.
I am no insider... once in a while I get some info, but usually don't do anything with it.

Drifter said...

ShockerNet: Originally Posted by The Coach
"Everything I've heard is that Marshall was 'not blown away' by Battle. The Alabama boards are never going to report that. If he really wanted the job it could have been his 5-6 days ago."

finebammer said...

this guy is not coming. move on, Battle.

finebammer said...

shaka smart: gone to Texas. bill battle: looking more and more like a dumbass with every passing minute.

needtoknow said...

You think? Using our leverage. NOW WHAT?

CTider said...

Why the hell did Battle go back to Tuscaloosa? Why isn't he camped out in Wichita by Marshall's doorstep until he gets an answer? Bill's inexperience as an AD is showing.

Drifter said...

Hold everything. I thought all was lost, but on second thought, Wichita State is NOW putting together a counter offer, and the decision won't be made until this weekend. That looks like a last ditch effort to keep him. If that's true, we're looking pretty good.

CTider said...

Battle should be begging Marshall and his family to take a visit to Tuscaloosa. He's got a college aged son, pretty sure that would win him over. Get the Saban's involved. Use all the resources at your disposal, because honestly plan B looks like dogshit right now.

finebammer said...

ask anybody in sales, when you walk out the door without having bought something, then chances of you coming back in and making a purchase are remote.


Battle went up there Monday to sell himself and the athletic dept. he left without making the sale. and with every minute that passes, the chances that sale is made decrease.


it's easy to say no to the unknown. it's easy to stick with what's familiar and successful for you. especially with all the "stay" voices in your ears. especially with the "go" voice in Tuscaloosa.


this is over guys.

Kim Williams said...

Ya'll are the most negative bunch I've ever seen. Everyone knows Marshall is the kind of guy that would take you to the ledge and not jump. I believe Battle had no other choice but to throw everything at Marshall including the kitchen sink after the Gary Parrish leak. I don't believe for a second that the Pitino rumors are anything more than a smokescreen created by his papa. The fact is that the Wichita and Alabama message boards read about the same. Both feel pretty good, but have a cautious realization that this thing could go either way. Wichita is a good job in a crap league. Alabama has slid from the top of the SEC, but has everything it takes to get back to the top. I honestly believe his wife/daughter are the key to the whole shooting match. It's hard to make a decision site unseen, so if they don't make a visit to campus by Friday, that'll be your answer. I would've had Shaka on line 2, but that time has passed unless something falls through at Texas. That's the risk when you go all in. Could any of you have done better if in Bill Battle's position? It's embarrassing to see our fans make serious recommendations like Mike Davis and Phillip Pearson as a replacement. That's scarier than the though of Richard Pitinio! There are only a couple of thousand fans that have a true passion for Alabama basketball and have a good understanding of the importance of this hire. This hire IMO will determine the future of Alabama basketball, not for the next 5 years, but the remainder of the program's history. The league is on the upswing based on the other hires within the last week. We've stepped up, but we got to realize this is literally a coin flip with Marshall. This thing has been more agonizing than the wait for Saban and hope it goes our way.

Drifter said...

Forde: sources say Marshall family coming Friday for visit

CTider said...

"Could any of you have done better if in Bill Battle's position?" Yea, I could've canned Grant last year and hired Bruce Pearl or Buzz Williams. Instead we decided to kick the can down the road another year because of a buyout, and we're gonna pay for it if Marshall turns us down.

Kim Williams said...

Thank you for confirming the negative type of fan I was referring to. Cecil Hurt has said it on Finebaum, WJOX and countless shows that Bruce Pearl was never going to be considered even if Grant was dismissed last year. So, every time I hear a fan says "we could of had Pearl" it was never, Never, NEVER going to happen. Alabama will never hire a coach under show cause or has past NCAA problems. How did Buzz Williams do this year? Thank you.

needtoknow said...

I'm reacting to all you say Drift but sure sounds like a good thing. The Alabama world better be at airport to great him and family. How about 15000 in Coleman? Let's do it!!!!

CTider said...

It really has nothing to do with anybody's opinion on Pearl. It has everything to do with Pearl having to be hired at Auburn to force us to make a commitment to basketball. I'm glad that we are aggressively pursuing Marshall, I really hope it works out and we get him, but it shouldn't have taken this much for our administration to finally take a revenue sport seriously.

CTider said...

It's over. The "Battle Plan" is garbage. Anybody but Pitino at this point.

bobbyjack said...

Kim bringing the thunder. Welcome BTW.
I'm of the belief if we miss out on Marshall well be okay. I don't think we get down to Pitino. worst case is Prohm which I'm good with as well.

CTider said...

This is what all the Grant asskissers asked for, though. He just needed one more year!!

CTider said...

I'll support who we hire, but I'm not going to be "good" with us having a worse coach than Auburn, $tate, UT, and UAB. Sorry.

bobbyjack said...

Unless we end up with Pitino Jr we will be okay. Howland and Barnes have the resumes, but both were stagnant. Do they have the fire to rebuild? Pearl is the one to worry about, but I will say if it wasn't for him we'd probably be looking at year 7 of the Anthony Grant regime.

citadeltidefan said...

Thanks for using us to get a raise Gregg. Now lets go get Archie. Anyone other than that will be a disappointment at this point...unless there's an unforeseen candidate that we can get like Chris Mack at Xavier. This whole thing is incredibly frustrating because it pretty much sums up the constant letdowns we've had for almost a decade. Its so damn frustrating because Miss $tate came like a damn thief in the night and took the best available coach that would have come here in heartbeat. Even Tennessee hired a cheater (again) fired him and got a decent one in Barnes. I will say if we can somehow get Archie our fanbase should be happy but most 'football only' sidewalk fans won't be impressed enough to start showing up to games. In the long run that won't matter if he produces wins and an exciting style of play which I believe he would. I'm afraid Archie won't come for the same reason Marshall didn't...why take a risk when your already worshiped for everything you do at your current job. The A-10 is even better than the Missouri Valley plus it seems we are just snakebite.

CTider said...

"Pearl is the one to worry about, but I will say if it wasn't for him we'd probably be looking at year 7 of the Anthony Grant regime" That's the problem. It took Auburn making a commitment to hoops for us to follow suit and look where that has us.

bobbyjack said...

We can complain about that or look at it as them finally getting it. I'll choose the latter.

citadeltidefan said...

I think Archie Miller has currently proven more than Haase. Plus $tate and UT are rebuilding jobs and I believe Barnes is past his time. Pearl however can't be ignored

CTider said...

BATTLE RELEASED A STATEMENT?!? WE HIRED THIS CLOWN TO RUN ONE OF THE BIGGEST ATHLETIC DEPARTMENTS IN THE COUNTRY??!!

citadeltidefan said...

I want to like Prohm but every big game he's been in (where he's facing equal or better talent and coaching he's lost). I just feel like he's another Anthony Grant. If the rumors are true about Smart originally having interest in us we blew this one big time. I would say Marshall has only proved to be a slightly better coach than him but Smarts seems to be more of a program promoter plus his style of play is much more fun to watch.

Alex said...

Our program has been left in the dust. This one really hurts. The SEC is about to become very competitive in basketball with this influx of solid coaches and here we are having to settle for who knows. How much of a setback is this? Nobody can say but I don't see us being competitive in this conference for at least 5 years now. There is no one left that we can hire who will make some noise and attract recruits.

CTider said...

Not to mention that Battle just announced to the world that whoever we hire was not our first choice.

bobbyjack said...

Someone c/p the Battle Plan for the masses to read... thanks.

bobbyjack said...

Read it... I don't see what the big deal is. Marshall said no and every coach in the country knows he was out #1 target. I hope we get Miller or Eustachy.

Drifter said...

April fooled

CTider said...

If we get Miller, I'll be thrilled but I can't see it.

CTider said...

Just adds to the circus, plus these coaches have huge egos and probably don't want to read that. Obviously Prohm won't care, but I hope we're still aiming higher than that.

Msmilie said...

What in the bloody hell are you talking about? Have you finally fried those circuits in your head piece? No one was calling for Grant to get another year. Jesus, you're a lunatic.

Objectively speaking, Marshall made the right decision. He was able to stay at a job he likes, get a nice raise, and wait for a more high profile basketball gig to open. As some of you have been so fond of saying the last few years, it's a business.

Battle doesn't have to settle here. He can get on the phone with a Shaka Smart or an Archie Miller and make them say no the same way he made Marshall say no. Alas, my fear is he has no plan B and they're going to have to take a gamble on a Richard Pitino or Steve Prohm.

Msmilie said...

And Pearl isn't going to be there very long. 3-4 years, and he'll be gone. If that long.

disqus_lLg81JC3CF said...

Traveling for spring break in Cancun...saw the news on the Battle card game. Lesson learned: never show your cards, accidently to the man/woman next to you at the card table. Especially, even when you throw your cards down , news before or after a flight to Witchita. Let me give this analogy: Like buying a Playboy as a teenager. Even when one hides it from a mother, there is a chance of her finding it under a heavy hide-a-bed sofa when she vacuums the teenager bedroom. Never mind that the sofa is too heavy fof her to lift and vacuum under it. She will, I repeat, will find an older, stronger brother to lift it so she can vacuum under it. There it is! It is found. That sweet mother instructs the older brother to place it back just as is was found, as not to cause any embarrassment to the young man that bought it. Hey, never should have showed it (the buyer, card hand) to the brother, ha ha. Always the upper hand, that older brother, wins out and shares too much. Do not let anyone see your card/cards, dumb dumb! Any pit boss will let you on to that! Time to: Deal a new head coaching search basketball hand. And good advice once given, never show the card in that hand! Maybe, have at least two and not one card. Have as many as 5, but keep the cards down on the table, not next to your heart! Not shooting down the passion, but the AD filled other coaching vacancies by showing his prospective head basketball coaching card! In agreement folks? Geeze....

CTider said...

Was talking about Battle passing up the chance at several quality coaches in favor of keeping Grant for a sixth year last year, that is ultimately why we are in this situation.

Msmilie said...

I do not fault Battle for bringing Grant back for a sixth year. Bottom line: Grant coming back for a sixth season did not cost Alabama a chance at a new coach this offseason that everybody can rally around. The mistake Battle made was not having a contingency plan in place should Grant's sixth season not pan out, which it ultimately didn't. Everyone except Bill Battle seemed to understand that this season would be a make-or-break season for Grant. Instead, after a poor season, Battle was still prepared to bring Grant back, which suggests there was no wish list in place. Mississippi State was talking to Howland before they fired Rick Ray. By all accounts, Tennessee was talking to Rick Barnes before he was cut loose at Texas. Alabama, it seems, was talking to nobody. Therein lies the mistake. Battle deserves criticism, not Anthony Grant. Coach Grant is gone. Give him some peace.

finebammer said...

told u so. when he didn't come back w/ him Monday, it was over. call me negative, but we're trying to sell a coach a national soap opera of an athletic dept. right now. the fans didn't create this. the boneheads around that athletic dept. did. have we really forgotten the shitstorm they went through in the transition from Shula to Saban??? and that's something they CARE about.

RichTide said...

We shouldn't discount the role Daron Boatright may have played in some of this. He likely prepped GM the questions to ask BB. He was Dir of Ops for xCMG. He saw how the PTB and AD treated the bball coach (and a Bama boy no less) like crap from the get go. Yes, he blew his credibility later, but even in year 1 the way the Admin treated him and didn't support the program was downright disgusting. BB likely didn't answer those questions adequately, which is no shock considering the lack of planning that was done this entire year should Grant fail to deliver.

RichTide said...

Well here, here.

finebammer said...

as the great Woody Harrelson said in 'White Men Can't Jump', "the mustard's off the hotdog".

finebammer said...

Avery Johnson. go hire Avery and after that first presser all will be forgotten.

finebammer said...

it is rather ironic, isn't it?

citadeltidefan said...

I just can't understand his reasoning behind that. Even Cecil Hurt openly questioned it as a no-win idiotic move. You would think Battle's past experience at the head of a major company (not to mention its founder) would have given him some basic PR knowledge. This whole thing is just flabbergasting...why we didn't he go after Smart if he was interested or better yet the guaranteed big program winner in Howland? Unless Marshall and his agent flat out lied to Battle (which is possible) there was no logic in going after him when you had two other guarantees that have been almost if not more (Howland) successful. Maybe by some miracle we can get Archie Miller or another big name but if not Battle and the administration have completely shit the bed on this coaching search. As others have pointed this is a hire is extremely important for long term future of the program. If we make a bad hire he we could forever become the Penn State of SEC bball...powerhouse football program/cellar dweller cupcake basketball team of the conference. As others have said this move should have been made last year and we wouldn't be having this discussion with Buzz Williams or Howland as the current coach.

finebammer said...

the really funny thing, he tried to tell us:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/what-rick-barnes--dismissal-says-about-texas--and-what-s-next-for-the-longhorns-230810668-ncaab.html

"Sources told Yahoo Sports that Marshall already had signaled Alabama not to waste its energy putting together a whopper offer for his services,......."

you think it's a coincidence he told Battle on April Fools??

really?

needtoknow said...

"Treated him." Do you mean Grant or Gottfried? If you mean Gottfried then you know Bill Battle wasn't the AD then so moot point. Not relevant. I think we were simply used by Marshall and agent to get more money and it worked. A total waste of our time.

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