Thursday, April 02, 2015

Sizing up the remaining candidates

As we all know by now, Gregg Marshall said, "Thanks, but no thanks" to us so we need to move on. The fanbase that is MAD at him for doing so (BY GAWD WE'RE AL-A-BAMA!) need to get over it... he did what just about anyone else would do... sized up the offer, went back to his current employer who he is happy with, and got something closer to what we offered.

No particular order here:

Archie Miller- I assume he's the top target now. Lots of upside to this one, but my concern is his offensive set. It's not that much different than our previous HC.

Shaka Smart- hopefully he's still in the mix, but I suspect Texas is wooing him. Again, one great Final Four run, but the last few years... meh.

Larry Eustachy- the one DJC and I like. Check his record at USM and Colorado St. Then go back and look at his work at Iowa St. He's a proven winner. Downside is his age, but I'm not looking for a 20 year coach so he'll fit the bill for the next 10.

Steve Prohm- working the Murray St pipeline again... I think he'd do well here as he knows our basketball culture AND would promote the hell out of it as HC. Not much of a downside outside of the fact he'd be considered a b- hire by some of the fan base. I'm not one of them.

Richard Pitino- this is coming from daddy Pitino and his relationship with CM Netwon. This one scares me as he's done worse @ Minnesota than the guy he replaced (Tubby Smith). Heck, I'd make the call to Texas tech first and gauge Tubby's interest.

Bobby Hurley- even though I side with UNC in the rivalry I would be THRILLED if he fell into our lap. While he doesn't have the HC resume of the others, he's young, energetic, and comes from a coaching family. And... he's a NYer (actually Jersey City, but he won't admit that) like me.

Tom Cream- I would like him here, but it's probably a pipedream UNLESS Indiana waives his buyout. I work in Indianapolis from time to time and know the fan base there wants him gone (and so does the AD, but are tied to his salary for a while).

Feel free to comment on any others I've missed. I know some are sad about missing out on Marshall, but unless we really screw this up I think in the end we will be better 5 yrs down the road.

67 comments:

Drifter said...

Read RichTide's last post under coaching search. Read it and weep.

bobbyjack said...

I'm aware of it Drifter... and the only thing I can say is we have to do a better job of selling what we can be. This program CAN BE what Wisconsin, Oklahoma, Florida, Ohio St, Michigan, and others are. The money is here to make this a reality. The hurdle is getting some of the football only gumps out of the way.

needtoknow said...

I'll be the one CT can shoot down. First I don't think you can get Smart or Miller now. Go try but I think it's a waste . I would go for Prohm. I'm not saying he is great BUT I like his emotion and his Alabama ties. I saw him coaching in NIT and he was coaching kids hard. This would be a dream place for him.. Again the new coach should get all things we promised Marshall except the huge salary.

CTider said...

Scott Drew, Brad Underwood, Larry Krystowiak, Jim Larranaga.

CTider said...

Guys we don't want: Rick $tansbury, Steve Lavin, Richard Pitino

Drifter said...

well, at this point, I want a guy who's going to sell US on why he wants to be our coach.

Drifter said...

http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/oregonian/john_canzano/index.ssf/2015/04/canzano_shaka_smart_has_no_ide.html

Msmilie said...

I like Shaka Smart. I think he's ready for a step up (though, to be fair, he's built VCU into a top 25-30 program so maybe he's already made the step up), but I think the Texas job is too big for him right now. If he is looking to make a move, I think Alabama would be a better fit for hr him. I think his havoc system would work well with the current players, it would be attractive to potential recruits, and, as a result, I think he would recruit the southeast region well. If Alabama hasn't called him, they need to.

needtoknow said...

CALL HIM BILL BATTLE. IT CAN'T HURT TO TRY.

Drifter said...

April 13 is signing day. We need to move.

finebammer said...

"When it wasn't quick enough, they leaked they were going to visit Bama."


exactly. i wonder what Forde's #FlyMarshall2Tuscaloosa column cost???

finebammer said...

sequence of events:

"Battle plan" leaked to Scarbinsky. big money. "swing for fences".

Marshall is ask about Alabama while still coaching in tourney. sez he will "entertain crazy offers"


('crazy' being the operative word. Marshall called Battle's offer crazy before he made it)

later, Pat Forde of Yahoo reports Marshall has told 'Bama don't "waste your time" with an offer.

Battle loads plane, flies to Wichita anyway, comes back without an answer or a coach.

Silence.

Next thing we hear from Forde, now Marshall is flying down to look Tuscaloosa over.

within hours of Forde's column going to print, Marshall signs deal on April Fools night.

we're now racing towards the April signing period. it is imperative we have a coach by Monday morn. critical time has been wasted.

i report, you decide.

opinion:

if Battle walks away from this debacle and hires a White, Prohm, Pastner or Pitino, a coaching project on the cheap, (2.5 mill or under) we've been had. Battle can walk away from this saying he tried his best to get the best coach available. the impending April signing period has forced his hand.

in fact, Battle pursued a coach that never intended to leave and told him so in so many words while Texas signs the coach that was ready to jump.

Battle was forced to fire a coach he wanted to keep. call it 'Battle's Revenge'. meanwhile, we're served up this steaming pile of shit by Scarbinsky. want to know who his leaker is?? it's pretty obvious:

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2015/04/give_bill_battle_credit_for_ai.html#incart_river

"This may sound strange since he didn't get his man, but give Bill Battle credit. Plenty of it."

strange indeed. "plenty of it".

RichTide said...

That includes BB. My buddy who teaches at WSU (daughter goes to school with GM's kids) said basically BB offered nothing but wads of cash. No plan to transform the program. Talked about the NCs in multiple sports. Bama had a culture of champions. They wanted bball to be that next sport, but offered no real plan of how that was going to happen. Appeared as if the wad of cash was for GM to do the heavy lifting and figured it out. Maybe that's just teen bravado enjoying being the center of attention at school. Buddy says the son is a good kid. But he made it clear the family was never leaving. Only way they leave is if dad takes a Kansas, Duke or UNC job. They really didn't want BB to visit them, but the agent knew how to play the situation for a big raise.

RichTide said...

He was never getting on that plane, even for $10M

Alex said...

I'd be happy with Miller, Shaka(won't happen), or Prohm. I'd also be happy with Avery Johnson though I don't see why he would have any interest in the Bama job(still, the rumors are there).
I'd be upset if we hired Pitino.

Drifter said...

Rumors are thatour people think Miller is not a good fit.

finebammer said...

wouldn't doubt it. we're gonna wind up with a third tier project. hootie ingram couldn't have done this any better.

bobbyjack said...

I'll add this... I believe Wimp Sanderson should be an integral piece of our HC search he should be the one to speak to the prospective coaches and tell them about his experience here (minus the smacking CM's old lady and Hootie undermining him) and how ELECTRIC this place used to be with him on the court. Have him sell the dream of making the program his (the next HC). Keep Battle on the finance side of things (maybe).


If we use CM Newton for this coaching hire we are going to end up with baby Pitino which would make me think hard about ending this blog. There aren't many candidates out there that would be worse than keeping Grant... he is one of them.

CTider said...

Finally some good coaching news.
http://www.al.com/alabamabasketball/index.ssf/2015/04/richard_pitino_alabama_minnesota.html

256Bradley said...

so Kansas is coming to Tuscaloosa this year4 bball. that should b fun 2 watch

Drifter said...

HOOPDIRT.COM "I'm not sure where Alabama will be focused next, but I do know that they will have to act quickly. The other high majors that have opened this year (Tennessee, Texas, Mississippi State, and St. John's), have all had very quick searches. Alabama, which opened before all of them, can't afford to fall too much further behind."

Msmilie said...

I think that was an April Fool's thing.

Msmilie said...

Looks like Finebammer may get an early Christmas. The word is Avery Johnson's agent contacted Bill Battle expressing an interest in the position. No idea if Battle is interested, but the list of available candidates is shrinking by the day.

I'm torn over this news. While there is no doubt that Johnson has an infectious personality and his NBA ties would help in recruiting, the guy has zero head coaching and recruiting experience at the college level. Is a guy used to trades and free agents prepared to hit the recruiting trail for 365 days of the year? Would it be something he would enjoy? Would he play by the rules? Does he leave for the next available NBA job?

There are many who want to turn the college game into the NBA, but the truth is they are vastly different levels of play, rules and business. And a guy who made his bones in the league may have trouble adapting to the politics and rules that come with running a collegiate program.

Drifter said...

Marshall would have had the strong personality to insist on the best for the Bama basketball program.

If we hire someone coming in with hat in hand, willing to accept whatever the powers that be decide Bama basketball needs, we may be in for another 6 years, just like the last 6 years.

Therein lies our dilemma.

Are there any good candidates left with the ability to stand up to Battle and demand the commitment that Marshall was promised.

And will BB be brave enough to hire them.

CTider said...

Prohm would advocate for the program. I think.

finebammer said...

relax man. Battle is gonna hire a third or fourth tier candidate like he's intended to do all along. somebody the football flunkies can keep their thumb on.

CTider said...

If it's between Avery and Prohm, go with Avery.

RichTide said...

Appears the PTB feel like they gave it the old college try. There is no progam changer available and they don't seem to have the stomach to poach a great one from an established program. Maybe Cecil's article today will spur them to keep thinking big.

From a buddy thru a buddy from his buddy: Texas had zero desire to go after Marshall. Anyone that did minimal homework knew he was waiting for a blue blood opening. They only leaked his name as a candidate to give them negotiation space with Shaka. Unlike us, they didn't show their hand and didn't have to overpay for SS. While Marshall kept us hanging, their position was credible and they kept negotiation space.

Glad we're helping everyone out with their coaching hires...

RichTide said...

With the way this coaching search is being horribly botched anyone hoping baseball was next good luck. Either Gaspard figures it out, quits or baseball's mediocrity will continue for a very long time. The PTB will have no stomach to fire him anytime soon. With a new stadium next year, no excuse not to have a CWS team. We did when I was there. Oh that's right, we're a football school and don't have a strong history in any other sport.

RichTide said...

"I'm just amazed at what Wichita has done," Marshall said Thursday.
"We are blessed by all the people who stepped up to make this possible.
This is a wonderful city, university and program with great support
from so many friends as well as our administration. Now we can return to
our goal of being a shining example for a college basketball program."


Color me jaded, but he's now getting paid about what Alford is at UCLA. UCLA! He talks like a 20-yr NBA All-Star who really wanted to finish out his career on the same team he started. He played one school against his current employer and then thanks them for doubling his salary when he had no intent to leave anyway, "I'm just amazed Wichita would lube up and bend over...we are blessed." And let's keep in mind he is gone when Ky, Kansas, UNC or Duke come calling. What a racket.

Murray NA said...

I have to agree, if it's between Avery and Prohm, go with Avery. The Alabama connection with Prohm doesn't mean anything when recruiting. The NBA background has a bigger impact on 18 year olds. Avery would be an excellent head coach IMO.

finebammer said...

heard Wimp on the local radio show the other day. the subject of Rick Pitino came up. Wimp said he was lucky to have a AD that supported him. zing on you, hootie!

finebammer said...

starting to understand why the UT fans parked a moving van at his house when he coached up there.

RichTide said...

His buyout is huge

bobbyjack said...

Guys... I'm starting to worry about this hire. Heck, we might screw up Prohm.
St John's hired another favorite of mine in Chris Mullin.
Tennessee hired Rick Barnes
Texas hired Shaka Smart
Mi$$ $tate hired Ben Howland


All of the above jobs were opened well after ours, but we're still looking. Can't help but think we botched this AGAIN.
In order I'll take:
- Eustachy
- Prohm
- Lavin (think he did a decent job @ St John's and is still young)
- Miller
- Avery Johnson (this would be our Sidney Lowe hire)


I'm hearing we are not considering Miller or Eustachy, but I hope that changes. At this point getting our Prohm dress ready might be the quickest fix and might be the best of the three. He won't cost $2 million/yr, has a connection to the program, and has a nice track record at Murray St.

Drifter said...

But can he recruit against Calipari, Pearl, Barnes, Donovan, Howland, et al?

CTider said...

I really don't get everyones fascination with Eustachy. He's been to what, One Sweet 16 in 24 years of coaching?

needtoknow said...

So what are we waiting for Bobby? Are we having trouble even getting Prohm or Mike White?

Drifter said...

I'm going with Avery Johnson. He'll be the best recruiter. We HAVE to recruit right out of the gate.

finebammer said...

you're starting to worry? dude, this search is a raging dumpster fire.

RichTide said...

Nothing to do now but wait. Either they pull a rabbit out of a hat (unlikely if the whispers are true) or they go the safe route and gamble on another mid-major. The problem with the latter is it will take a few years if he is good to establish credibility to recruits, so how do you get the talent intially to compete and build credibility? He'll be going up against Pearl, Howland, Barnes, Donovan in living rooms - little chance unless he is engaging and can really sell a future. We HAD to go big with this hire for that reason. That said, if he can flat out coach we have a chance. A&M has a top 3 recruiting class coming in and they will likely fire Kennedy next year if he doesn't make the Sweet 16, so it's not just about recruiting. I didn't realize how much their fan base was fed up with him.

Eustachy - ain't happening due to previous character shortfalls. Still too soon after Gottfried.

Prohm - likely the next coach. If BB whiffs on any big names (in the inner coaching circle our job is radioactive right now), he wants it, the PTB can save money, and he'll bring exciting offense. I'll get behind him but I worry about someone that lost by 35 to Valpo and really botched the end of the Belmont game to lock up the NCAA. Murray St played absolutely no one on their schedule except Xavier and lost by 27. The only sig wins in his 4 yrs was over Memphis and St Mary's.

Lavin - if you only knew what went on at UCLA you wouldn't bring his name up. He was a grad asst when xCMG was Asst to Harrick. Absolutley not. Enough info out there PTB won't touch him with a 10-ft pole.

Miller - that ship sailed. Nothing released publicly, but strong rumors his buyout is $7-9M except for certain jobs - ours isn't one of them.

- Avery Johnson. don't know enough about him. Maybe his NBA strengths will translate to the college game. Go on youtbue and listen to a press conference. That voice in a living room might negate the "I can get you to the NBA" effect.

Not sure why we are not focusing on Chris Mack. Proven record against Power 5 and in NCAA. He's only making $1.1M. We can easily double his salary and I think he could hold his own with Howland, Pearl and Barnes.

bobbyjack said...

I'll respond to all in this one...


Rich- Eustachy has been clean for over a decade...he has built a solid resume at USM and CSU. Here, I think he'd do okay. As for Lavin, I think he is the type of coach we need to battle against Pearl/Barnes/Howland... but I suspect our AD doesn't want to walk that line.


fb- I tried to be optimistic but yeah... this has turned into a dumpster fire. Seems to be the norm with us looking for HCs


ntn- I worry that Prohm might get snagged up by someone before we decide to engage him. I'm not sure White is an upgrade over Grant.


ct- I judge coaches on their regular season more than NCAAT. All I want FOR NOW is to be a regular in it again. I believe LE would get us there.


Drifter- I hope so. The landscape changed in the last 2 weeks. Now we have 9 solid coaches to compete with for talent in the depleted southeast.

bobbyjack said...

I have a feeling AJ would be our Sidney Lowe. I know of his success with Dallas, but I just have a bad feeling about it.

Drifter said...

Who is Avery's agent? Do we know?

CTider said...

I just looked at Eustachy's wikipedia page. 5 tournaments in 24 years, been past the first round just twice and he's 60. I'd rather take a flier on Prohm, but that's JMO.

RichTide said...

I wouldn't mind Eustachy. Let's not pretend xCMG wasn't fired for personal behavior. Again, until culture changes, the PTB is not going to allow behavior of the bball coach to effect the football program. The PTB think the big sanctions against football were caused bythe bball program, absolutely no attempt to recognize the infractions the football program brought upon themselves. Any red flags in a coach's past will be an "internal show cause." This is why squeaky clean Grant was allowed to remain 2 yrs longer than he should and Miss St fired Ray after 3 seasons. Our culture is more about not impacting the football program than establishing a powerhouse basketball program, which inherently means taking risk. It's why the PTB would have NEVER considered Pearl under under circumstance.

finebammer said...

steve prohm:

http://www.allkyhoops.com/2015/02/steve-prohm-calls-out-bob-cousy-award.html?m=1



the guy sounds like a basketball guy. seems very confident and comfortable in his skin. after the way everything's gone down in the past week, we'd probably be lucky to get this guy.


and honest to god, bill battle should be fired for botching this search like he has. like happy said, we're 8 days from signing day now. where in the fuck is the idiot and what's he doing?? i'm told he makes about $400,000 grand a year but doesn't do it for the money.


how about after this, he just doesn't do it anymore.

finebammer said...

well, Johnson went from player to player coach to head coach under the tutelage of Don Nelson. that's a learning curve, guys. i don't have any question he could do the job. again, he's lived his life doing what he was told he couldn't do.


class guy. family man. clean as a whistle. driven.


after last week, we'd be lucky to get him, too.


again, it seems Battle has gone dark. when that dumbass surfaces, he better have somebody.

Msmilie said...

Jeff Goodman reporting that Alabama is meeting with Avery Johnson tonight.

Drifter said...

IT'S ON

Drifter said...

Cecil Hurt ‏@CecilHurt 4 mins4 minutes ago
I can confirm they will meet. RT @ctxsportsvoice: @CecilHurt Some are stating U have indicated Avery Johnson, as a legitimate candidate

Drifter said...

Even if we don't hire him, this great publicity.

needtoknow said...

Yep. AL saying they're meeting.

Msmilie said...

To hell with publicity. The program needs a coach asap.

Drifter said...

Don't get mad at me. I've been saying that for 2 years. :)

finebammer said...

holy shit.

finebammer said...

if this hire is made, success will be all about assistants. Johnson would be wise to retain Pettway IMHO.


priorities would be limiting transfers and shoring back up our recruiting.


whoever is hired is parachuting into a SEC b'ball dogfight.

Msmilie said...

Agreed. Johnson needs assistants that have college experience and can help him make the transition to the college game. Pettway's recruiting ties in the state are crucial. All of the current recruits were committed to Alabama because of Pett. Whoever is hired needs to retain him.

I think if you bring in a guy like Johnson, the remaining players will stick around out of curiosity if nothing else. Keep the roster intact, and Alabama has a chance to be competitive next season.

CTider said...

Battle and Johnson should be hammering out a deal as we speak. Let's get a coach and get started.

Drifter said...

Sources indicate this is proceeding nicely :)

finebammer said...

Bobby Knight will sleep good tonite.

finebammer said...

and i would remind everyone that no matter who is hired, no matter what happens with them down the road, it's important to remember who led us to this point. who ran the clock down (ironic isn't it) to where a desperation 3 had to be jacked up to hire a coach to replace Anthony Grant.


and that man is our AD, Bill Battle.


Battle was so tone deaf, that after watching the games lost, seeing the crowds dwindle, he had no intention of letting Grant go. when he was pushed into firing Grant, he had no plan, no list of candidates, no nothing to conduct a search by. it's a sad state of affairs when a backwoods, podunk school like missi-fkn-ssippi state conducts and executes a textbook search and hire that all should model the process by.


the dysfunction at the Capstone astounds. i used to tell people that things were done in the b'ball program that would never be done in football. then they hire Ray Perkins. Perk the Jerk tears down Coach Bryant's tower. fires the great John Forney. (John found out when his wife called him after hearing about it on the radio) Perkins was (and still is) a piece of work. next they send Bobby Bowden home and hire Bill Curry. then Mike DuBose over Frank Beamer. Franchione. Price. (it's rolling baby!) Shula. the coal miner's daughter's husband.


all at THE state university.


and it just goes to show something my granddad told me before he died, you can't buy common sense.


(and if you could, you damn sure wouldn't find it in the halls of the Alabama athletic dept.)

finebammer said...

and here we go:

https://alabama.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1753961

"University of Alabama athletics director Bill Battle met with former NBA head coach Avery Johnson on Saturday to discuss the head basketball coaching vacancy at UA. Although there was no immediate confirmation a deal had been finalized, Johnson reportedly emerged as a strong front-runner for the position and several media outlets in Johnson's home state of Texas confirmed he would likely accept the job if offered."



as late as it is, i doubt they do anything Sunday. (Easter) if i had to guess, i'd bet on about 10a Monday.

finebammer said...

FWIW: http://www.netsdaily.com/2010/8/31/1660354/a-peek-into-avery-johnsons

Drifter said...

Get every rebound, and Push the ball. I love it.

RichTide said...

Think about this for a minute. Had AJ's agent not reached out to BB, Steve Prohm would be our coach. We would have fired Grant for that scenario. Hopefully AJ bails us out. Getting more and more excited about that possibility.

RichTide said...

Hearing contract signed